Ep 41 Anh Coaching
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Microphone (Yeti Stereo Microphone) & Lumina Camera - Raw: [00:00:00] Welcome back to Career Clarity Unlocked. Today's episode is very special because you're about to step into a real raw and deeply insightful career clarity coaching session. Yep.
You are getting a front row seat to an actual session where I help a client navigate one of the biggest questions we all face at some point in our lives. What career path should I pursue next? And how do I align my work with my strengths and passions? Let me introduce you to Anh. Anh has had an incredible career journey.
She started off as a hardware design engineer, then moved into memory subsystem validation engineering. Super technical, high level work. And then about four years ago, a huge career pivot and became a life and performance coach. But even her current role still doesn't feel quite like, yes, this is it.
Something about her work doesn't feel fully [00:01:00] aligned. And she is ready to figure out what's next. Can you relate? Maybe you've been in a career that checked all the boxes, but something still fell off. Or maybe you made a big bold move only to realize, hmm, this isn't quite what I thought it would be. If any of that resonates, you're going to love this episode, because you'll get to hear how we unpack that feeling and find clarity.
Now, Here's where it gets really interesting. We start the session by using something called the Sparketype Assessment, a really powerful assessment developed by the incredible Jonathan Fields that helps people understand What truly lights them up. It's not about job titles or industries. It is about what activities energize you and what makes you feel alive.
For Anh, her primary Sparketype is the scientist. Scientists are all about the pursuit of figuring things out. If there's a [00:02:00] puzzle, a problem, or a mystery, a scientist is the one who's going to tackle it. They don't just love finding answers, they love searching for them. For a scientist, even a problem that's already been solved is just an opportunity to uncover an even better solution.
Anh's shadow sparker type, which is like a secondary driver that supports her primary one, is the maven. Mavens are obsessed with learning. They have an insatiable hunger for knowledge and love diving deep into subjects that interest them. Whether it's picking up a new skill, studying a complex theory, or becoming the go to expert in their field, Mavens are always on the quest to know more.
And then there's the Anti Sparketype type.
The most important thing to know is that this isn't anything you're bad at. You might actually be really good at the work of your Anti Sparketype type. But it is a heavier lift and it drains your energy. For Anh, [00:03:00] that is the essentialist.
This means that the process of creating order, systems, or processes drains her. She does appreciate organization, but a thought of being the one to spend all day every day building or maintaining structured systems simply feels like a heavier lift rather than an energizing challenge. Now, what does all of this mean for her career path?
Well, that's exactly what we dive into in today's coaching session. Anh's goal is clear. She wants to do work that is meaningful and fulfilling to her. She doesn't want to waste time or energy worrying about what's next. She wants to gain clarity and move forward with confidence. And that's exactly what we're going to do in this session.
You will hear how we use the Sparketype to identify work that aligns with her strengths and natural inclinations, explore what's missing in her current career, and map out what an energizing, fulfilling path could look like for her. You will not only [00:04:00] get a fascinating behind the scenes look at a real coaching session, but you'll also walk away with insights that might just help you gain clarity in your own career.
Because let's be real, so many of us have been where Anh is. Stuck, uncertain and trying to figure out our next move. But the good news, career clarity is absolutely possible. So are you ready to dive in?
Obviously, I want to get much deeper, starting from the Sparky type assessment, but into the career clarity.
But are there any questions or thoughts or anything else that's on your mind that you wanted to start with first?
I'm still like in the middle of reading my shadows parts type. So, interestingly, feel like there are things in, the second Spartite that, like, resonate more with me, in the shadow. The pressure to convert learning into action. I get stuck up on that sometime [00:05:00] and I'm like, oh, that's very interesting because sometimes I could just read books and learn and just like, just the learning process is like, oh, that was a great, you know, , and then I have friends who are like way more practical and they're like, well, what are you going to do with that? And I'm like, I don't know. You don't have that pressure. You just. Enjoy it for the sake of learning it. Yeah, yeah, I don't have like a, this is the end, like, I don't do things for a result or like a goal.
Like, I'm not very goal oriented. But you enjoy the process of it, it sounds like. Not as much the end goal, it's more the process of it. Yeah, so both of my SPARC types are process oriented.
Yeah, but that doesn't exclude, right, working with, like, doing work that's in service of others, um, that can all still be a part of it. So we'll talk about both of them, and it's totally fine if the shadow resonates more than the [00:06:00] primary, and it's not about trying to fit you into a box of like, oh, a scientist said, oh, you can do a self reference.
No, it's just like, okay, this might be one thing that fools you, but we can definitely expand on that. It's just a starting point. . Let's start as a scientist and the maven and then the essentialist so we can work through them all. Um, but there'll be a lot of overlap, obviously, but when we think about the scientists that problem identification, seeing things that could be done better or improved, and then solving problems or figuring things out.
Is that something in general that, that process that you do enjoy? I feel like that's a process that I can't help but do. Yeah. I feel like, when I, even when I was young, I feel like my first impulse was like, You can do that better, you know, that's not, like, even I remember as a child for the adults, [00:07:00] when they were doing things, I'm like, I don't think that's the best way.
I don't think that's the best way to think about things. Or, you know, I'm like, is that completely true? Mm hmm. And then I feel like a lot of times I just like new and intriguing ideas even like problem solving, it's just something that I feel like I almost do automatically. So, , my background, I immigrated from Vietnam.
When I was 12. Wow. That's a big move early in life. Yeah. And I think 12 is like an interesting age where I basically had to figure out how to do things in a new country. I have to figure out what I want to do with my life and what to do for money. And all of that has been like figuring things [00:08:00] out.
So yeah, , I feel like it's almost automatics for me to figure things out. And learned a lot, and learned really fast. Mm hmm.
And when you think about, and when I ask about your roles in engineering and coaching, I'm not asking those questions because I think you should go back into that role. I'm just trying to find what were the pieces you liked and didn't like about it so that we can find something that combines all the pieces you like.
Yeah. , but when you think about hardware design and engineer and then the memory subsystem validation engineer, when you think back at those roles, were there new and intriguing problems or exciting things to figure out and solve for you? And if so, what comes to mind?
So for me, I'm drawn to like new and exciting ideas. And so when I was doing hardware design, I would do like proof of concept projects. Projects that haven't [00:09:00] been done before. I loved to just like jump in and figure it out. Yes. Oh yeah, I can do it. I have this instinct of like, yeah, that can be done.
I think a lot of times other people was like, see the challenges. Like, oh, that's impossible. You can't do that where I didn't see. I think one of my gifts was that I didn't see any. I meant to challenges,
I just love doing new things. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. And that's such a beautiful strength, many people who are scientists, not everyone, but other people's often, as you said, like there's a challenge or something that hasn't been done.
They see that as a roadblock of like, okay, it hasn't been done, we can't do it. But as a scientist, when you come in, you're like, you're excited, you're like, it hasn't been done. I'll, I'll figure out how to do it. , and that is the fun part of it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. When you think about specific, projects you worked [00:10:00] on or products or solutions you worked on, which one comes to mind that you're like, that was one of the funnest ones in engineering that I got to work on?
The most fun it just.
Getting really sucked into the things that was kind of impossible, I love when, you know, run into.
Kind of problems and I'm like wait it just the way that we think about it. It's not that it can't be done It's how we think about doing it and if we can just
kind of slow down and figure out What we're trying to do what's important with the fundamentals then , we can do it, but I think I feel most alive when it's like, well, I can't be done so beautiful that that happens for you in engineering and in coaching and probably in other situations too, when it's something that is approach by other people as like. That can't be [00:11:00] done and you get to step back and be like, okay, let's look at this and figure out how we can do it.
Right. Yeah.
Do you feel you had a lot of opportunities to do that in your engineering time or was that here and there? I think I did have a lot of that. I think I loved, like, my favorite times were when I was able to do that with other people.
And how about coaching? Do you feel like you've gotten to tap into that a lot in your coaching? And if so, what were some of your favorite moments that come to mind there? I think, for me, what I'm really good at is, like, with the mindset piece, I can hear what clients say, and I can see the path that it leads, and I can pick out, okay, this is the thought that gives you that result, so how do we shift it, to [00:12:00] get you towards What you actually want.
Yeah. , and so I think it's kind of a very similar. Um, and so I coach like high performers where they would. Think that they want one thing, right, but then they don't really get, or they don't really change, or like, get the results. So, my favorite thing to do with coaching is just to go in and be like, is this really what you want?
Right? I work with like the unconscious. That's something that I'm really curious about is like the unconscious. It's like, how do you quiet yourself enough to get to like what you truly, truly want? And then figuring out, okay, how do we get there? , what kind of mindset? That we can get there, and I think that part is very fun for me.
And it's incredible how you [00:13:00] go through a very similar process into such different environments. Yeah. Really approaching it from, what do you really want? What's the end goal? What's the, what's figuring, being really clear about where do you want to get to? And then taking that step back, I'm like, okay, how can we make that happen?
Let's figure it out. Yeah, yeah, and then creating that process that gets people to that place. And now when you think about the Maven, obviously they play into each other a lot because there's a lot of times no problem solving without learning and learning gets us to solve more problems. Let's go back to engineering.
Do you have a preference? Some Mavens love both. Some are drawn to more than the other. One is learning new things. Always seeking new information and still learning it quite deeply. Um, but always wanting something new.
And some mavens are drawn to really researching a topic deeply. They can take one topic that's really big and broad. [00:14:00] Especially like mindset, for example. It's like a huge topic, right? When you talk about the unconscious, you can go into that. And they love Having that topic where they can study and research that for years and go deeper and deeper and deeper and some like both, but I wonder if you're drawn to one or the other more.
I think I'm drawn to both, but so far I've done the new things and getting into it, right? I feel like I've sampled multiple kind of like career things. ANd I get excited about learning new things. But I also have, like, a deep desire a, um, like, an expert. Subject matter expert. I feel like that is what I'm looking to do, but at the same time, it has to be. I feel like something that I care enough about to go very deep into it. Yes. Um, and [00:15:00] that it matters, right? It matters not because I feel like sometimes I do get influenced by, like, my environment.
I feel like it's hard for me. To know that next thing that it was like, okay, that's the thing. That's the thing that I want to like devote my life to, if it makes sense. Oh, that makes total sense. Yeah. And especially, that's hard for everyone, but as a maven. There'll be always something new and interesting to learn that's not gonna run dry.
So it's really hard to be like, oh, this one topic is supposed to be it for life. Like that, that seems so stifling as of like, what about the other million things I could learn about? Yeah. When you were in engineering, do you feel like you got to spend time on really learning or researching things that you were interested in that seemed to matter to you?
Well, specifically for [00:16:00] computer, I just thought That it was cool and that it was hard. Yes, and you're drawn to that Yeah, I really loved the people that I was working with , very smart. Um, was the people that you were working with, did you, and maybe it's both, did you enjoy it because it was like a good environment of like you really got along with them or was there also a part of that?
You got to learn from them or you got to learn from each other and together you got to learn and solve more problems and there was that environment that allowed you to do that. Yeah, it was learning and solving problems. Yeah, so it was more than just if you spend the same amount of time with these people but you were just Drinking coffee and talking about things that aren't that interesting or not like solving anything if that wouldn't have been equally [00:17:00] fulfilling.
It was like having that team environment where you work towards some figuring things out together. Right? Yeah. I would love to, devote myself into if somebody comes in and be like, we're making this new awesome thing, I would be like, yeah, let's do this. Yes, you'd be all in. That makes total sense. And when we think now of the Maven in coaching. In what ways was that fulfilled? And I'm, in my mind, I'm thinking two directions.
One, obviously there's a lot to learn about mindset, about coaching itself, but there's also a lot to learn from people and as you've described before, like really understanding their thought process and where their thoughts come from. Um, how was that experience for you as far as that learning or researching goes as a coach?
Um, I really love it. I think I transitioned to coaching because I was really curious about people and like about happiness and [00:18:00] about, like big life questions. What's the meaning? What's the purpose? Yeah, and you also said that you're really interested in philosophy, right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I study philosophy. I know you mentioned that. Yeah. Yeah, so I totally get the big life questions what draws you? What part of philosophy are you drawn to? well, I love existential nature, like the freedom and the responsibility. Yeah. Like. You know, be the best that you can be, mindset, right? Yeah, mindset. What existential is, is like, well, you exist. And now is your responsibility to figure out how you wanna live your life.
Yeah. What you want to do, like how to make meaning of it. Right. And it gives you that freedom, but also like responsibility because now you accountable for the things that you do or say. Mm-hmm oh, that's [00:19:00] amazing. I love it. Yeah, and I think that's kind of tied to coaching.
Yeah, because , there's no right answer. You're just like, well, what's right for you right now? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. What other parts? It's filled your maven in coaching, the obviously philosophy, the mindset, lots to learn. Did you also get fulfillment when you were talking to people and got to, I don't know how you approach it, like getting like really understanding their thought process or learning about them?
Yeah. So I love connecting with people. That's what I, I love doing. So, I also, for a period of time, study, like, negotiation and, I mean, right now, I, volunteer at the ICF Sacramento and do, director of Strategic Partnership. Oh, cool. Actually, I love networking in person.
Yeah. Meeting [00:20:00] people, talking with them one on one, getting to know them. Mm hmm. Yeah, I just wanted to ask what connecting with people means for you. So it is about in person, meeting people in person. Yeah. And my gut is that it's more than the superficial small talk with people. Yeah, right. I love, learning what matters to them.
What they're thinking, feeling.
Yeah. I guess that they're also learning new things, right? Well. That's something new. I didn't know that, you know, that makes you happy or yeah, like what makes people happy? What? Like that is just an unlimited source of new interesting information. Yeah. Yeah. And I imagine that this makes you really successful in strategic partnerships or networking in [00:21:00] general, is that you're not coming into that interaction with someone else of like, um, like goal oriented.
Right. How can we have a business deal? But you're coming in from, I want to learn about you. Tell me about you. I really want to understand you.
And I think that there's a very special superpower that you bring, but when you're solving problems and learning, do you prefer to do that together with others? So learning from others or learning in a team environment? Like coaching, learning about the person from the person in a team environment, learning something together to research how we can develop a product and solving problems off.
Doing that in conversation with others or do you also like to have time where you really Focus on that process for yourself. If they're like, I'm just curious. Is it like zero and 100 percent your preference? Is it 50 50 or three quarters? Like what do you feel is a [00:22:00] good? Good balance for you there. So Yeah, before you say that, I already wrote down, uh, 70 30.
I think I prefer, like, I need that 30 percent of just being on my own. Yeah. But I definitely noticed that I can get lost in my own thinking. I think having other people, that's what I noticed now that I'm working mostly by myself. Having other people and, like, structure is very helpful for me. And that's what I was thinking is that it's that's a very unique about you.
A lot of people that have like a maven scientist, they love learning and problem solving, but they like to do it. In solitude, you can literally lock them in an office for 48 hours and they're happy. They don't need other humans. You're different. [00:23:00] You're so good at researching, learning, figuring things out in a team environment together with others.
And that's not, that doesn't exist a lot. Yeah. I also noticed that I only want to be alone when I need to like really de focus and when other people are draining me. But if other people are like on the same mission, the same vision, the same, like I don't mind thinking or learning with other people.
Yeah. So interesting. Yes. And when we talk about your anti the essentialist.
Again, that's totally nothing, that you're bad at. And I'm very confident that you are very, very much capable of creating order in systems. But you said yesterday, if there's a different way to approach it, you'd rather do that. But when you think back to engineering, was that a big part of your [00:24:00] job of having to take chaos or complexity and synthesize that or order it?
Or was that not, was that something you didn't necessarily have to do? I think doing boring work like, maintaining things is hard. Yes.
That makes 100 percent sense, and we'll go back to the essentialist because that's, like, actually another topic in itself, is scientists and Maven. As a scientist, we need new problems. We need new things to figure out as a maven, you need things to learn. So what I see so much, especially with these two Sparky types is when people get into a role and they're like, okay, this is amazing.
There's so much to learn. I can figure things, things out. Like, let's say it's like working on a product or a project and then that product project is pretty much done and then they have to maintain it, right? It becomes so painful. It's very, very painful. You need that new thing. Have you been in that [00:25:00] place where it becomes from the figuring out, learning, goes into a maintenance stage?
Yeah, so I think what happened is I would, take on another project or like two or three more. Yes. I would burn myself out and then there are tasks that I don't want to do, right? And that's how like I would accumulate a lot of stress of, oh, it's so boring. And I would do all the other, I love creating, maintaining, I don't like.
You love creating. You don't like maintaining things. Yeah. Oh, 100%. Yes. And what are the most boring maintenance tasks for you? What like that you had to do that you were like, that were just felt so heavy on your to do list?
Um,
I would say documenting.
And like, organizing, I think.
And it makes total sense because you want to be in an environment that's [00:26:00] structured. Planning. I hate planning. You hate planning. Yeah, no, those are all the essentialist tasks. Yeah. Yeah, and it makes sense. I think that's why you realize, like, it would really help to be an environment that is structured, where these pieces are already in place so that you don't have to drain your energy on them and can focus the energy on creating things, figuring things out, learning, and not that heavy list of documenting, organizing, planning.
Like, that's just not what excites you. Yeah. Was your role in engineering heavy on that? We have to do basically eat the whole process we have to do With the design engineer we have to do start to finish. I have to look at specs designed
Organized And maintain like the [00:27:00] entire product, life cycle. Yeah. You have to do the whole thing. Yeah. I mean, it makes sense. Cause you have the expertise, you will know what is going on. So you do it, but definitely the maintaining, it's not fun. Yeah, and I think the part of that I kind of got away from is like, I'm really good with people.
Mm hmm. I just love like working with them and I'd be like, can you just own this? Like, can you? Instead of me telling you what to do. Mm hmm. We'll figure it out. And I'm here if you have any questions, like even the, because I feel like sometimes Some engineer would like, look down on technicians, right?
And I was like, no, you can, you can do this stuff too. Look, I'll show you. Here, you can think for yourself. Love that. [00:28:00] So, I think that's how, like, I skip a lot of the mundane, Oh, I have to go ask people for this, or I have to go, manage this whole thing, when I'm like Hey, you're gonna be good at this. You want to just do that part?
Perfect. Do you have any questions? Um. You, you felt very comfortable or going towards that, the things that felt like the heavy lift, finding other people who can do that. Yeah. And I think, I think what I didn't notice as well, it's like the stuff that I was the heavy lifting. It's not that I couldn't do it, so I'll do it, but then I think it's fun when I used to take lunge.
And like, complain about it, right? Just like, I hate this so much, why is my life like this? But now I feel like without people [00:29:00] to like, vent or whatever, I just avoid it. I'm like, I don't want to do it. Yeah, so how does that show up in your coaching? Or Owning a business is are there pieces that are really heavy lift because it's like that organizing planning Yeah, so I love you know meeting with people that's what I love and I can do sort of like a quick here are some resources But, like, the emailing, the, , scheduling,
yeah, all of that feels like a really heavy lift. Yeah, you'd be probably happier if there'd be a structure of, like, this is a system that's already set and it flows and you need to come in to meet with people, figure things out. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, that makes total sense. And I think it's something really special that you're okay with complexity in a way of like, let's just leave it complex, as you said that yesterday.
Yeah. That's really cool. And I [00:30:00] think that's the reason why a huge topic, like , existentialism doesn't scare you. No, honestly, for me, it was in philosophy is like that topic is so big and you can't distill it down. You just can't. It's impossible to do still a dance.
I'm like, no, thank you. Um, but you're not like that. You're like, this is complex and we can leave it complex and we can work with it. That's, that's so cool. Yeah. I don't have the need to like wrap things up. Yeah. And sometimes that can be a problem. Yeah, it can be a, definitely can be a positive and a negative, but I would imagine that in a lot of cases you use it as a positive,
but you're like, this is super, super complex and we can wrap our mind around that complexity and we're going to figure out how to make that work. Similarly in coaching, because a people's unconsciousness, our mind is so complex.[00:31:00]
It's very hard to distill that down. Yeah. And you're like, it's complex and we can work with everything. That's there that makes you the person you are, and at the same time figure out how do we get you to the goals that you actually want to get to. Does that resonate? Mm hmm. Yeah. But you would want to stay away or minimize the parts where you would be required to take that complexity or chaos apart and spend hours or days organizing it, planning it, scheduling it.
All of those much better left to someone else so you can focus on the things that you really enjoy doing. Yeah.
So just starting a brainstorm without having to find the perfect answer. It's just ideas of what are topics, products, ideas where people in general feel a thing like that's too difficult. It hasn't been done before it can't be done and you feel really drawn to like I think we can figure this [00:32:00] out.
Well mean I'm curious about robotics Like building robots to do things that we don't want to do. Yes. That's really cool. And I think, like, robotics, like, , Ethicist. Was it Ethicist? There's a brand that basically you establish, an ethic codes for robots.
Oh, that is so cool. Yeah.
Those are I can see that absolutely being like fascinating for you because ethics is that big thing that you can't distill, like you cannot, can't really distill it down, but it's huge and complex and someone like you who can take that and figure out how do we now make that work for robotics.
Mm hmm. Yeah. Now I can see that being a super interesting [00:33:00] space. And even like not thinking practical as in industries, but are there like, I feel like the, there's a question like, how can humans be happier or can humans live a fulfilling life? Like those questions I hear coming up for you, are those ones, ones that you feel really drawn to and be like, yeah, if I could spend more time thinking about that and figuring that out, that would be enjoyable.
Yes. Absolutely. Yeah? Yeah.
Are there any other questions that you've had when you think about , those areas that come up for you?
I mean, I, I thought about, really getting into relationship coaching.
Yeah, well, cause I think
something that was difficult for me growing up was a lot of, , adults around me. Which is like, you know, have these ideas that [00:34:00] relationship that is like, oh, they're supposed to look like this or be this way. And I'm like, I don't know. You're not happy. So you can't really tell me what it looks like. So that's like something that I spend a lot of time thinking about, like studying, how to basically transform relationships.
Like in committed relationship. Mm hmm. Yeah. That's super interesting. I could see really going in a direction where you are on those big questions. How do people? Find fulfillment, happiness in a relationship, or how do people find happiness or fulfillment in life?
Or I think whatever words you feel most drawn to, but researching that, and then there's also the process of creating some, , because you also said you love creating and then. Taking that knowledge and coming up with things that seem impossible, but like how, what [00:35:00] could we create to make all these people to feel the way they want to feel and then coming up with those ideas and what needs to be created and that big picture thinking, and then maybe handing off the actual tactical work to someone else.
Does that feel like a space you would want to be in or do you feel drawn to the tactical work of like, no, I would want to then also create this thing. Um, no, I think I definitely love to do more of the ideation and the idea. I totally see you like in that ideation innovation phase. Where a lot of, so if you're thinking about a more product or service perspective, where a lot of the work is that customer consumer research of like, but a product that's super aligned with.
What you're interested in off like that helps people be more happier in life, more fulfilled in life, reach their life goals. But so things. Services, [00:36:00] products that allow people to do that and being in that innovation or ideation team there of where you talk to the people really get into understand deeply where they're at and what they need and then come up with ideas of, okay, how can we figure this out?
What are the, what could we create that would solve that? And then once that idea exists, then someone else who makes that a reality. . I'm really drawn to, like, design as well. Product design definitely comes to mind for me. But yeah, just thinking about how can we make the human experience better.
So my thoughts are definitely, and I'm gonna After our conversation, I will, I think about this a lot. It'll take like usually about a day to really listen back to it, think it through, and then come up with more precise suggestions to research. There's going to be interesting information to, [00:37:00] draw from, um, but I could really see you products that make the human experience better. Do you feel more drawn to products or services, actually? Like, if you think of a product that makes the human experience better, or Service that would make it better?
I think, maybe services? But I, I also, I think products are pretty cool too. Product, yeah. Yeah, okay, can be both. So you don't have to, doesn't have to be one or the other. But product, services, anything that makes the human experience better. So that would be something you would want to work on.
Mm hmm. And then being in a role where you do get to really be in that early stage before that even exists of, okay, let's understand the humans that whose experience we want to make better and understand them deeply. And then let me come up with whatever everyone else thinks is impossible.
Let [00:38:00] me come up with that idea on how we can figure this out. And then. Let me design of how we can create that and then someone else can do the technical work and actually make it happen Yeah, and and you couldn't be we'll get more and we're still in the big picture idea right now But you couldn't be better positioned for those types of roles because through your coaching You have All the skills and strengths and tools that you need to understand people.
And through your engineering background, you have everything you need to know to understand of how can we actually design this. You don't have to be the one who actually does the work, but you need to be in a position where you can understand the engineering team and be like, is that, like, what would that look for them?
Right. It's not just, so you have those two key areas that you would need in these types of roles.
How does that direction feel? That feels really good, actually. [00:39:00] Yeah, I think that actually makes my experience, it makes sense. Yeah, it totally does. And we don't have to, I'm, we're still in a phase of the CareerClarity where we want to open possibilities, and then we'll open possibilities before we narrow it down.
Yeah. So, I'm not saying that's the only thing, but I can see that being a really fulfilling space for you. Um, given that It is that you then, like, once you created that idea and design that idea and then handed it off, you get to move on to the next thing and not have to then see this thing through till the end of your life.
Um, I mean, it's probably really cool to then see it come to market. Um, but. Not being able to having to do all that organizing, planning, documenting along the process, blah, blah, blah. Someone else can do that. Exactly. We need you to talk to people, understand the humans deeply, and then come up [00:40:00] with ideas and creating and designing things that make their experience better.
Yeah. That's exactly what I would like to do. Yes. Yes. Okay. So as I said, I will, I'm watched back at the conversation, really think and research on what roles exist to give you keywords. How do you feel? Any thoughts, questions? Um, no, that actually
feels very aligned. I feel like that's something that Kind of draw a thread through my experiences.
Yeah. Yeah, and then keep in mind also, , that there is going to be, there's always the component of the work we do and the companies we work for. So we have an idea of the work we do and the companies I would say are going to be the ones that make the human experience better. So, um, when you feel [00:41:00] like, okay, if I, a lot of times that thought comes up, like, okay, what if I get to research humans, human behavior, understanding humans, and then create products, but that doesn't make the human experience better, um, maybe that role isn't right for me.
That's often a thought process I see clients go to, and at that point, you just have to be like, okay, we're gonna, I'm, once I'm going to look into a target companies, I'm going to be focusing on companies that provide services, products, um, software that makes the human experience better, and that will be the target industries, companies, and the role I want to focus on is possibly that ideation phase.
Yeah. Okay. Yeah, that. Sounds great, actually. I'm very excited for the direction we're heading in. Yeah. Yeah, thank you so much. I didn't, yeah, I couldn't have put it together better. So, yeah, thanks. You're [00:42:00] welcome.
Microphone (Yeti Stereo Microphone) & Lumina Camera - Raw-1: Wow, what a powerful session. I hope you enjoyed this as much as I did. Anh's journey is such a perfect example of what so many people go through when they've checked all the boxes, done all the right things and still feel like something is missing. And
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